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post Jun 13 2012, 09:11 PM
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Kruiswegstatie 10 in de kerk van Rennes heeft altijd al mijn aandacht getrokken. Er klopt iets niet: de dobbelstenen geven getallen aan die niet naast elkaar kunnen staan(4 en 3). Natuurlijk ben ik weer teveel op de details gaan letten, maar Saunière was oplettend. Er zouden hem maar enkele details kunnen ontglippen, was dit er één van? Bijna onmogelijk, de tegenstaande getallen op de dobbelsteen (boven en onder, links en rechts, voor en achter) hebben steeds zeven als som. De enige twee getallen op de eerste dobbelsteen zijn drie en vier, juist de getallen die NIET naast elkaar kunnen staan.

(IMG:http://i46.tinypic.com/mtni3k.jpg)

Laten we eens opsommen wat we niet zien: een hand, dertig stippen op de dobbelstenen, en een paard. Jazeker, in de vorige statie (9) vinden we dezelfde soldaat met een paard:

(IMG:http://i49.tinypic.com/1hyv5j.jpg)

Trente, Cheval, Main. Dat geeft vele anagrammen, slechts vier zijn interessant en grammaticaal redelijk correct:

vermeil chantante (verguld gezang)
chevalier mentant (liegende ridder)
enclavement trahi (verraadde isolatie)
lamentent archive (gearchiveerde klaagzang)


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post Jun 14 2012, 08:41 AM
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Hi TB,

here is a high res. detailpic of the #10

There are 3 cubes, showing 3,4,5

This is something for Erelcee :

3:4:5 is a 90 degree angel.

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post Jun 14 2012, 08:43 AM
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I have most of the stations in high res. If I can help...
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post Jun 14 2012, 10:26 AM
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Hans Peper @ Jun 14 2012, 08:41 AM) *
Hi TB,
here is a high res. detailpic of the #10
There are 3 cubes, showing 3,4,5
This is something for Erelcee :
3:4:5 is a 90 degree angel.


One angle in this triangle has almost the same angle ( 53.13° ) as the angle sloop of Khafre ( 53.10° )
Or perhaps the exact angle of the sloop is realy 53.13° and was based on a 3,4,5 triangle ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Khafre


TB , zou het kunnen dat al de staties samen iets te vertellen hebben.
Is er geen rode draad die door al deze statie's loopt, behalve Jesus dan ?
Bij elke statie zou dan een abnormaliteit, of iets speciaals moeten te vinden zijn.
Zelfs de hoek waaronder het kruis staat kan interessant zijn.

Het zou ook interessant zijn om al de staties in hoge resolutie naast elkaar te kunnen plaatsen.
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post Jun 14 2012, 09:08 PM
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Daarvoor kan je naar rlcresearch gaan. Er zijn natuurlijk andere sites die evengoed zijn, maar daar heb ik mijn afbeeldingen vandaan.
Persoonlijk denk ik dat de kerk volgens een bepaald systeem kan werken: elk kunstwerk of elke zin kan erbij horen. Een beeld A wijst naar statie B, daarin zit een aanwijzing naar fresco C, en daarin zit dan weer een verwijzing naar beeld B. Zo een systeem zou een algoritme nodig hebben, een rode draad, het zit hem bijvoorbeeld altijd in calembours of in anagrammen, of... Ook een beginpunt moeten we hebben. De rest is simpel, de vraag die rest is waar we ergens gaan uitkomen.

Ik heb helaas de tijd noch de middelen om de kerk op die manier aan een onderzoek te onderwerpen. En als ik er nog eens ben zullen mijn prioriteiten ergens anders liggen. Dus het is aan anderen om dat idee te testen. Hoewel ik vermoed dat dit het eerste was dat Corbu, Plantard,... gedaan hebben betreffende het mysterie, of er iets nieuws uit te halen valt is maar de vraag.
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post Jun 14 2012, 11:03 PM
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Ik snap niet zo goed wat je bedoelt met
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Er klopt iets niet: de dobbelstenen geven getallen aan die niet naast elkaar kunnen staan(4 en 3).


De drie dobbelstenen liggen naast elkaar en zijn mijns inziens een verwijzing naar de rechthoekige driehoek van Pythagoras.
Terecht zouden onze meetkundige broeders dit kunnen (en wellicht moeten) verwerken in hun lijnenspel.

Het feit dat de Romeinen dobbelen zou ook een verwijzing kunnen zijn naar Romeinen 5: 3-4; Romeinen 3: 4-5 of Romeinen 5: 3-4
Mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar de eerste optie. Alleen omdat ik het een mooie tekst vind. Geen idee of Saunière deze mening met mij deelt.

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post Jun 15 2012, 09:03 AM
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You have 14 Stations of the cross and 8 sculptures are embedded in the way of the cross.

I think, that the sculptures have to be taken with inside the string.

So you get 22 stations (with that sign, you will win...).

If you have a look at the stations , you can see, that there are four groups of plates :

On the northern wall : Station 1+2 are the opening and here we get knowledge about the way to go. #1 is the beginning of the journey and #2 gives a warning, because the sculpture of Antonius stands for "temptation". The meanig of temptation is, that there are different ways in the following sections, and you have to be careful in your choice.

After that, three groups are following :

northern wall 3 stations, westwall 4 stations and southwall 5 stations. (3 : 4 : 5 the cubes of station 10)

The northern wall with the 3 stations is for one possible way to go and the western wall with the 4 stations is the second way to go.
You have to choice one of them. The two ways are the two cubes with 3 and 4 points, which are positioned along to each other.Cube #3 (5 points) is lieing alone. (see station 10) . The soldiers are playing withe the cubes to win the clothes of Jesus. The cubes are showing the way how to win.

The two ways come together again in the third group of 5 the plates, which are ending with Antonius .

So we have :

the opening with informations and rules (1+2)
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The "marker" Antonius #1 (temptation)
way #1 (3,4,5)
The "marker" Jesus and Johannes (inauguration, baptism)
way #2 (6,7,8,9)
The "marker" 4 Angels +holy water (inauguration, baptism)
way #3 (10,11,12,13,14)
The "end of file marker" Antonius #2 (end od temptation)

After the information of station #10 , I would choice way #1 (3,4,5)

The thing is, to connect the stations and the sculptures to one sense.

veel groeten Hans
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post Jun 15 2012, 01:21 PM
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Sorry Hans but I think you run too fast , slow down, take your time....

I find it a good idea to take the statues in the string.
But I think you have to look carefull for abnormalities and details in each item ( as the dices in station X )
before to go on, and before to take any conclusions.
Only when you have a list of all the items then you can try to make something of it.
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post Jun 15 2012, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (ERELCEE @ Jun 15 2012, 10:21 AM) *
Sorry Hans but I think you run too fast , slow down, take your time....

I find it a good idea to take the statues in the string.
But I think you have to look carefull for abnormalities and details in each item ( as the dices in station X )
before to go on, and before to take any conclusions.
Only when you have a list of all the items then you can try to make something of it.


May be I am to fast. But it was my intention. And it's a new way. And this is what we need, new ways.

I am a joker (in the sense of the tarot cards). Only a joker can find some new ideas like this.

This idea, I had two month before. I began to study the stations of the cross and the sculptures. I found details, which lead me to this theorie. Last month a friend of mine was in RLC and made the high res. pics about the stations and the sculptures.

I am sure, that there is a message in the way of the cross. The way of the cross is the allegory for the way of the treasure. It is the story of the movement from one storage to the other.

The way begins at the pulpit. The place where Saunier is talking to us. The facts which Saunier wants to tell us are hidden in the way of the cross . Face to face at Saunier is the great Sermon-sculpture, just over the stations 6-9 . It seems to be like a projection in the cinema and the projector is in the pulpit.

Last month we checked the two ways (#1 from the stations 3-5 and #2 from the stations 6-9) in the landscape. At the way #2 we found nothing at the way #1 we are thinking that we found the right place. A second expedition in Oktober will follow.
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post Jun 15 2012, 05:00 PM
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Ok, I didn't know that.
I like this theory of a hidden message this way...
We are interessed in the HD - pictures too.
Maybe I could be a better help then...?

@TB You made a wrong conclusion about the dices because you didn't have a good picture...
Therefore I'm sure the HD-pics from Hans would be very helpfull....
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post Jun 15 2012, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(ERELCEE @ Jun 14 2012, 03:43 PM) *
One angle in this triangle has almost the same angle ( 53.13° ) as the angle sloop of Khafre ( 53.10° )
Or perhaps the exact angle of the sloop is realy 53.13° and was based on a 3,4,5 triangle ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Khafre
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Vandaag vond ik dat Flinders Petrie ( die al de afmetingen van de Giza Piramiden op papier zette )
dezelfde mening had als ik, nl. dat de piramide van Khafre gebaseerd was op een 3,4,5 driehoek.

Flinders Petrie proposed that the adjacent 'Khafre' pyramid at Giza had its slope angle defined by the 3-4-5 triangle (3).
Wikipedia cites this mean slope angle as 53°10', and arcsin (4/5) = 53° 8' (i.e., the angle whose sine is 0.8)
- so this modern estimate of the mean slope angle of 'Khafre' lies within a couple of arcminutes of that 3-4-5 triangle base-angle.


http://chikaproject.blogspot.be/2009/01/ge...at-pyramid.html
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post Jun 15 2012, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (ERELCEE @ Jun 15 2012, 02:00 PM) *
Ok, I didn't know that.
I like this theory of a hidden message this way...
We are interessed in the HD - pictures too.
Maybe I could be a better help then...?

@TB You made a wrong conclusion about the dices because you didn't have a good picture...
Therefore I'm sure the HD-pics from Hans would be very helpfull....


This is a present to you. If you need more, please let me know. The pic is from 2011.
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post Jun 15 2012, 07:40 PM
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Maybe you can help me.

I am looking for a groundplan of the "presbyterie". The preachers house on the westside of the MM. I have it from Douzet and Feral, but it is not exact, I think so.
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post Jun 16 2012, 09:12 PM
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Als het drie dobbelstenen zijn, en dat is mogelijk, dan gaan ze niet over pythagoras. Ze vormen geen rechthoekige driehoek.
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post Jun 16 2012, 09:32 PM
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Juist, wat doe je normaal bij dobbelstenen ? Het aantal ogen optellen toch?
Dus is er veel kans dat het om het cijfer 12 gaat of XII ( of 12 ogen = 6 personen ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mocking_mini.gif) )

Zijn er buiten anomalie VIII ( groen = vert ) nog andere gekend ?
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post Jun 17 2012, 04:26 PM
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@Hans - I'm also interested in IX and XI ...
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post Jun 17 2012, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (ERELCEE @ Jun 17 2012, 01:26 PM) *
@Hans - I'm also interested in IX and XI ...


Here they are 9/11

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Would be nice, to see your results.

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post Jun 17 2012, 06:05 PM
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Let me give you an inspiration.

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post Jun 18 2012, 08:26 AM
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'the way of the cross' is the way to go according to Boudet. problem is to find out which cross-road exactly. That is why I studied the locations of the bas-relief 'fleuri'. Did we find out about the flowers?
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